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waiting for news on the fiscal cliff and what ben bernanke if he have anything to say about the fiscal cliff after two-day meeting by federal reserve. they are also watching for bond action. i want to touch on something you were saying. mcdonald's, a a contributor to the dow strength. these are contributing, very moderate strength. we are seeing strength and materials, healthcare industrials, that where mcdonald's trades, they are lower today. one of the reasons we were talking about same store sales and mcdonald's being stronger, that is a boost to its stock. but we have seen a pull back, most notably the gap before pressure. disappointed and a number of retailers did. that number is a mixed as we head toward thursday. the retailers on the retail sales figures for the month of november. quickly, touch on one deal today. honeywell making acquisition of intermac. $10 a share. honeywell, it wasn't unexpected. started taking a leg down on that. brian back to you. >> mary, thank you. >>> part of what is giving the market move today along with renewed confidence perhaps. in the chinese econ
waiting for news on the fiscal cliff and what ben bernanke if he have anything to say about the fiscal cliff after two-day meeting by federal reserve. they are also watching for bond action. i want to touch on something you were saying. mcdonald's, a a contributor to the dow strength. these are contributing, very moderate strength. we are seeing strength and materials, healthcare industrials, that where mcdonald's trades, they are lower today. one of the reasons we were talking about same store...
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that will upset the rest of america but most consumers, they say fiscal cliff. >> what's the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know what that is. >> you are right. the business community is sitting on its cash, wall street waiting on every word and consumer as if nothing. but you know it comes home to roost. good to have you on the program. thank you so much. >> nice to see you. >>> american cars zooming along. some of the best news for the auto sector in years. what it means for your set of wheels. >>> living with lions, julie taymor with me on one of broadway's biggest payoffs as it marks a milestone. back in a moment. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ ke a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world.
that will upset the rest of america but most consumers, they say fiscal cliff. >> what's the fiscal cliff. >> i don't know what that is. >> you are right. the business community is sitting on its cash, wall street waiting on every word and consumer as if nothing. but you know it comes home to roost. good to have you on the program. thank you so much. >> nice to see you. >>> american cars zooming along. some of the best news for the auto sector in years. what it...
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liz: the fiscal cliff, did it play into why solar city cut its price? >> i think it was a minor factor. i think the larger factor is that -- is that investors looking at the ipo, the last ipos invested in, are all underwater. the bankers said the only company that's trading above the ipo price is tesla so it's tough when somebody has heard a story where that's perhaps now compelling the first ten times, and now that the 11 company says this time, for sure, it's going to work, and, like, even though the fundmentals are really strong -- i mean, nobody could refute the business fundamentals. they really -- the people -- the push back we got was irrational like, oh, it's solar. solar's bad. the fundamentals are strong. solar's bad. i'm like, uh, that doesn't make sense. >> 300% customer growth rate. >> yeah. we could have a mint and say we mint money. [laughter] solar's back. wait a second. liz: 47% jump in the stock today. looks like they priced it well enough that it did get the big pop. david, glad i didn't wear green. oh, my gosh. david: would have been
liz: the fiscal cliff, did it play into why solar city cut its price? >> i think it was a minor factor. i think the larger factor is that -- is that investors looking at the ipo, the last ipos invested in, are all underwater. the bankers said the only company that's trading above the ipo price is tesla so it's tough when somebody has heard a story where that's perhaps now compelling the first ten times, and now that the 11 company says this time, for sure, it's going to work, and, like,...
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we're talking about fiscal cliff, and we're forgetting about the weak economy in the uk. there are two things that i'm watching. i'm looking at central banks around the world constituent adding physical gold to their coffers to the opportunity of 400 tons. and a new investor class, the etp, investors holding 2600 tons of gold and the fourth largest holder. so when i start watching, if we start reducing those levels, maybe the top is in. by the way, the dollar is closer to the lows than it is to the highs, so keep an eye on the dollar as well. >> okay. it sounds like it's too early to call in your view. let's look at what goldman is cowling for. they're cutting their 3, 6 and 12-month targets. do you agree with those levels where you see it going long term and short term? >> jackie, you know, the numbers we have to watch right now, i don't know if i necessarily agree with those numbers. but the numbers we're looking at right now are the numbers we have covered on this show a few times. it's 1675 to 1672. that's the big support there. if we get through that, we'll see 1600,
we're talking about fiscal cliff, and we're forgetting about the weak economy in the uk. there are two things that i'm watching. i'm looking at central banks around the world constituent adding physical gold to their coffers to the opportunity of 400 tons. and a new investor class, the etp, investors holding 2600 tons of gold and the fourth largest holder. so when i start watching, if we start reducing those levels, maybe the top is in. by the way, the dollar is closer to the lows than it is to...
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the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the fiscal cliff starts getting resolved, you will see some buying going on. cheryl: bobby, i want to go back to you about europe. we have not had a lot of problees. seems like the greeks are kind to getting things. >> the last few days, europe markets have been pretty strong. as you said, a sleeping giant. cheryl: i do not want to see anything change. it has been nice. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. great floor show today. uncertainty seems to be the norm in washington these days. last year you have the debt ceiling convey. congress had trouble pu
the fiscal cliff talks not going anywhere yet. during the next two weeks we will start to see some positive remarks. one thing that is very interesting, heat and oil settled in a very weak position. those two coming off could take the energy complex down much further. right now only 85 to 85.10. cheryl: we have plenty of supply out there right now. we are in the middle of winter. >> we have a tremendous amount of supply. we do not have much cold weather coming up near term. once the...
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peter, to you first. >> not the fiscal cliff. not today. just a day at a meeting speaker john boehner at the white house, president obama extended a little olive branch in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and had some common western democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> the white house would not disclose any details of the meeting with the president and the speaker yesterday. both sides confirming communications are open. speaker john boehner saying discussions are taking place. liz: maybe the fact they're keeping quiet may mean something is really going to happen. keep dreaming. >> does politics have to watch out what is happening in silicon valley. apple and google compete on so many different rounds. but they're actually coming together to co-compete on a bid for the patents that kodak holds. 1100 patents, half a billion dollars. they realize instea
peter, to you first. >> not the fiscal cliff. not today. just a day at a meeting speaker john boehner at the white house, president obama extended a little olive branch in avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i have said i will work with republicans on a plan for economic growth, job creation and reducing our deficits. and had some common western democrats and republicans, i understand people have a lot of different views, i'm willing to compromise a little bit. >> the white house...
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we have to avert the fiscal cliff. my concern is it drives us into recession, knocks up employment up, and i agree with you, we have to ensure more peopl have more of their own money in the pockets to decide what to save, spend, what to invest, and anything that hurts our fragile economy, i think is bad for all americans, especially those like you talk about, trying to put food on the table and get the kids to school. acy: anything you come to the tail on? concessions to give into in order to get it done to avert the cliff? >> john boehner talked about increasing revenue. i think we need to do that through jobs and growth and getting more people back to work. unemploymentnumbers continue to be very high. our big problem is the sending. we continue to spend too much, and we have to make adjustments now to make sure we save and protect medicare and social security for future generation. tracy: there's no talk about that. raise taxes six ways until tuesday, and it's not covering the debt or spending habits at the end of t
we have to avert the fiscal cliff. my concern is it drives us into recession, knocks up employment up, and i agree with you, we have to ensure more peopl have more of their own money in the pockets to decide what to save, spend, what to invest, and anything that hurts our fragile economy, i think is bad for all americans, especially those like you talk about, trying to put food on the table and get the kids to school. acy: anything you come to the tail on? concessions to give into in order to...
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stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size our bloatedgornment? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo o citi mortgage joins us next. [beep] [indistinct chatter] [kids talking at once] [speaking foreign language] [heart beaeating] [heartbeat continues] [faint singing] [heartbeat, music playi loude ♪ i'm feeling better since you knome ♪ ♪ i was a lonely soul, but that's the old me... ♪ announcer: thisong was created with heartbeats of children ineed. find out how it can help frontline e health workers bring hope to millions of children at everybeatmatters.org. lou: new rorts show foreign investment is heingthe housg market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss thatnd much more when it comesto housing. in the money lineonight, investors waiting cautiously to s
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what should the transition to the fiscal cliff here? are you sleeping nights thinking about all this? or how are you viewing what's going on in washington right now? >> people ask me what keeps me awake at night. i said nothing is important to keep me awake at night. that doesn't really advance the ball, one might say. you know, i can see the outlines of the fiscal cliff being avoided right now. reading a little bit behind the scenes. all i'm doing is paying attention to what's going on out there. i don't have the inside information or anything. but it has to be done. it has to be fixed. and i assume it will be. and i often quote churchill. maybe even on your show once, bill. that said americans always do the right thing but only after they've tried everything else. so we've tried everything else. that leaves us for the right thing which is some tax increases and some cuts in long-term benefits, medicare, social security, and so on. >> in which case and i hate saying this because it obviously shoots ourselves in the foot. are you advoca
what should the transition to the fiscal cliff here? are you sleeping nights thinking about all this? or how are you viewing what's going on in washington right now? >> people ask me what keeps me awake at night. i said nothing is important to keep me awake at night. that doesn't really advance the ball, one might say. you know, i can see the outlines of the fiscal cliff being avoided right now. reading a little bit behind the scenes. all i'm doing is paying attention to what's going on...
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>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat thes
>> i contends the fiscal cliff will come to an agreement. it will be temporary in nature, kind of a year type of plan. i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to...
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stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size of our bloated government? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>> is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo of citi mortgage joins us next. twins. i dn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligation b obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is eep. introducing the ishares core, budinglos for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 ilarge professisional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectis, risks, charges and expenses. ad and consider itarefully bere investing. ri includes possible ss of principal. lou: new reports show foreign investment is helping the housing market slowly recover. citimortgage president and ceo sanjiv das joins us here in just moments to discuss that and
stay with us. >>> the fiscal cliff fiasco. the obama plan, the boehner plan, will either alter america's rising rate of spending or lessen the size of our bloated government? the answer in tonight's chalk talk. >>> is the housing market really recovering? $17 trillion is riding on the answer. the president and ceo of citi mortgage joins us next. twins. i dn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligation b obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i...
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first, i want to ask you, bob, how much of this is due to the fed as opposed to the fiscal cliff. >> i'm not discounting the fiscal cliff but i think a lot of this is sell on the news related to the federal reserve. we have seen this news before. remember, take a look at the s&p 500. i don't think it is a coincidence we hit the highs of year september 14th. that's the day after the fed meeting when they announced quantitative ease meetings. they bought into the fed meeting then started selling immediately after. we saw thmovie before and they e doing this before. two months high on the dow jones industrial, a two-month chart of the dow jones industrial average, and you will see. there are the highs. and we are drifting lower here. i put more of this on sell on the news of the fed. spike and bond yields got a lot of e-mails talking about inflation in 2013. this has not been a successful trade but number of the etfs exist out there. spider gold trust with the classic hedge against inflation. one to five-year tips. very big etf. then you can even bet against long-term treasuries with th
first, i want to ask you, bob, how much of this is due to the fed as opposed to the fiscal cliff. >> i'm not discounting the fiscal cliff but i think a lot of this is sell on the news related to the federal reserve. we have seen this news before. remember, take a look at the s&p 500. i don't think it is a coincidence we hit the highs of year september 14th. that's the day after the fed meeting when they announced quantitative ease meetings. they bought into the fed meeting then...
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economy can go right over the fiscal cliff. and the $600 billion question. will the fed, does the fed have the fiscal fire power to offset tax hikes and spending cuts and keep the economy alive? it is a good question. we do expect the fed to keep interest rates near zero at least near 2015 and also continue to buy agency backed at the pace of $4 billion per month. a big change is the end of so-called operation twist and the potential start of what some are calling qe4. there are some big questions. do we expect some answers in about 5 minutes? let's hope. but we may not have to wait. we've got our own fed insider steve liesman here. he is in washington, where he himself scaled the georgian columns of the fed building. he is here with a preview. steve, what can we expect from the final fed decision of 2012? >> as you know, brian, i run a spdr line from the monument. that's how we get up here. this is really a historic day, and i think the market really hasn't focused on it. the fed's balance sheet is really about to explode. you just gave the numbers. i want
economy can go right over the fiscal cliff. and the $600 billion question. will the fed, does the fed have the fiscal fire power to offset tax hikes and spending cuts and keep the economy alive? it is a good question. we do expect the fed to keep interest rates near zero at least near 2015 and also continue to buy agency backed at the pace of $4 billion per month. a big change is the end of so-called operation twist and the potential start of what some are calling qe4. there are some big...
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and in part, they cite the fiscal cliff. i think if you were out there, you would get answers that would not necessarily describe it correctly. >> it's a shame it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was meant to cause a recession. the government felt in its infinite wisdom that -- >> you think it's a radical tax increase? >> i think so, yeah. i think you'll notice it in your paycheck for certain. >> that's absolutely for sure. >> your first check, second paycheck, then you get the chaos that bowles mentioned. and the chaos is, wow, i have much less to spend. i didn't know this was coming. alternative minimum tax being the silent killer who really understands how much more they have to pay, check at the end of the year. do the math. >> we saw it in the consumer sentiment numbers, and what it will be when the increases actually go through. most of that decline in sentiment that we saw on friday was from households earning more than $75,000. a higher income in this survey, households felt it the most, eve
and in part, they cite the fiscal cliff. i think if you were out there, you would get answers that would not necessarily describe it correctly. >> it's a shame it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was meant to cause a recession. the government felt in its infinite wisdom that -- >> you think it's a radical tax increase? >> i think so, yeah. i think you'll notice it in your paycheck for certain. >> that's absolutely for sure. >> your first...
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in 2013 regardless if we drive off the fiscal cliff or not. it is force the nation's hardest workers believe it or not cough up more dough. the country's wealthiest put uncle sam competence forever. joining us now. the government made all his mistakes, so the really wealthy people can pay for it all. speak the whole point is it can fit the bill. we'll add $10 trillion of debt, doesn't obama taught no tax increases. we're talking cover the debt over that time. it is not enough to prevent a debt crisis down the line. tracy: we have seen it time and time again. thougthe ability to wealth if yu have access to important people. they don't have to pay taxes after all. >> people don't work as hard as ithey otherwise would have, dont take risks so don't get the growth have not raised taxes. i think that's what would happen if we went with president obama's plan. they come it will not grow as fast as it would have. speetracy: inevitably our taxesl go up because the wealthy do not pay as much as they thought. >> there's not enough revenue at the top to
in 2013 regardless if we drive off the fiscal cliff or not. it is force the nation's hardest workers believe it or not cough up more dough. the country's wealthiest put uncle sam competence forever. joining us now. the government made all his mistakes, so the really wealthy people can pay for it all. speak the whole point is it can fit the bill. we'll add $10 trillion of debt, doesn't obama taught no tax increases. we're talking cover the debt over that time. it is not enough to prevent a debt...
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and these taxes are going up regardless what have happens with the fiscal cliff. these tacks are written in obamacare. and if taxes do i- deed go up on the top two brackets as a result of the fiscal cliff, that will be on top of the obamacare taxes. >> is there any way for us, the nation, to police the earnings or profits are insurance company under obamacare? there are all of these extra, they get the extra deals. now the insurance companies get the extra deals because they have lobbyists and probably sent them over to the white house and capitol hill and they got the $25 billion that the extra americans don't get, the special deal. how do we know we aren't getting totally scammed by the insurance companies? >> the insurance companies obviously a lot of them wanted obamacare because they sell a product. >> risk. they sell risk. >> and the law -- >> or buy risk. >> and the leforss all ever us to buy their product. if we don't have enough money to buy their product, the law gives taxpayer paid subsidies to buy their product. what's not to like for them? they are pr
and these taxes are going up regardless what have happens with the fiscal cliff. these tacks are written in obamacare. and if taxes do i- deed go up on the top two brackets as a result of the fiscal cliff, that will be on top of the obamacare taxes. >> is there any way for us, the nation, to police the earnings or profits are insurance company under obamacare? there are all of these extra, they get the extra deals. now the insurance companies get the extra deals because they have...
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people looking past the headlines whether it's the fiscal cliff or europe. i mean, there's a lot of doom day sayers out there, and it makes sense, but it seems like everything right now is contained, and the trade is up to the upside. david: right. liz mentioned the fed decision coming up, should be hearing about it tomorrow. what's the market expecting from the fed? in what way will they be excited or disappointed? >> well, i think the market, if you look at the options market, the flows into the ten year treasuries, it's implying 85 billion per month. the reason i say that is right now, deals, what, 165 #, if that was not the case, yields should be up 180, maybe 183 right now so all the flow right now is pointing to 85 or 90 billion per month. liz: okay. none of us is going to fight the tape here, larry. we'll talk to you in a moment when the s&p futures close, but in the meantime, going to the panel, daifd. david: sam, chief equity strategist, and charles bitterman, trim tabs investment ceo and portfolio manager. sam, you first. you reminded us that gdp i
people looking past the headlines whether it's the fiscal cliff or europe. i mean, there's a lot of doom day sayers out there, and it makes sense, but it seems like everything right now is contained, and the trade is up to the upside. david: right. liz mentioned the fed decision coming up, should be hearing about it tomorrow. what's the market expecting from the fed? in what way will they be excited or disappointed? >> well, i think the market, if you look at the options market, the flows...
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my next guest is concerned that we are going over the fiscal cliff. he says, preside obama seemingly is intent on rsing his post-election advantage to win tax increaseson the wealthy and to eliminate the houses debt ceiling leveraged. joining us now from washington d.c., peter wallace, former reagan white house counsel, former member of the financial crisis inquiry commission. a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. good to have you here. you believe there going or the cliff. >> i think their is a real danger of this. one can see a path for obaaa that does not look so terrible if we do go over the cliff. all of the taxes go up, but the democrats have an opportunity to introduce legislation to reduce the taxes for 98 percent of the people leaving the wealthier people, i guess you could call them wealthy, the top two percentage to stay at the high rates. it is possible to do this. lou: it is posible, but i have to ask you, surely the republicans have to understand and had understand six months ago what what transpired in this lame duck ses
my next guest is concerned that we are going over the fiscal cliff. he says, preside obama seemingly is intent on rsing his post-election advantage to win tax increaseson the wealthy and to eliminate the houses debt ceiling leveraged. joining us now from washington d.c., peter wallace, former reagan white house counsel, former member of the financial crisis inquiry commission. a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. good to have you here. you believe there going or the cliff....
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the fiscal cliff. he is about to give you the head start investors like. find out about it next in this mad dash. >>. >>> how will solar city fare in its debut this morning? chairman elon musk and lyndon rive will join us on cnbc. we count you down to the opening, the s & p losing less than one. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. we create easy-to-use, powerful trading tools for all. look at these streaming charts! they're totally customizable and they let you visualize what might happen next. that's genius! we knew you needed a platform that could really help you elevate your trading. so we built it. chances of making this? it's a lot easier to find out if a trade is potentially profitable. just use our
the fiscal cliff. he is about to give you the head start investors like. find out about it next in this mad dash. >>. >>> how will solar city fare in its debut this morning? chairman elon musk and lyndon rive will join us on cnbc. we count you down to the opening, the s & p losing less than one. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply...
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cliff. >> behind the scenes negotiations continue today. republicans say they're waiting for the president to outline more spending cuts. the three big issues, tax rates, entitlement reform, medicare and social security, and whether to raise the debt ceiling. we're about to hit it again, and america may need to borrow more. and on those issues at least for now on chilapitol hill, democra seem to think they have the upper hand. that's it for now. >> thanks so much. >>> last night he describes what he says is to use the debt creel as a pawn in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> they see the handwriting on the wall and they're going to have to extend it, and if they don't the whole country will see they were willing to tank the entire economy and give everybody the tax break to give people at the top a bonus. where they're just dead wrong, ed, is thinking they're going to gain leverage over this debt ceiling because the american people are not going to stand for republicans turning right around and threatening to destroy the american economy by
cliff. >> behind the scenes negotiations continue today. republicans say they're waiting for the president to outline more spending cuts. the three big issues, tax rates, entitlement reform, medicare and social security, and whether to raise the debt ceiling. we're about to hit it again, and america may need to borrow more. and on those issues at least for now on chilapitol hill, democra seem to think they have the upper hand. that's it for now. >> thanks so much. >>> last...
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that deadline isn't even the real fiscal cliff. david: that strategist is none other than peter schiff, ceo of europacific precious metals. friend of the show. peter, although i wish it was under better circumstances. you say the real cliff coming is bigger han the housing mess, bigger than the housing crisis we went through. it's the bond mess. specifically when the fed stops printing money to buy up treasurys all hell will break loose, right? >> well, and if it continues to print money it will be a bigger hell. if we avoid the fiscal cliff we end up throwing the dollar over the currency cliff because we send a message to the world america will never pay its bills. we'll keep borrowing money until the creditors cut us off. that is when interest rates skyrocket. the pressure on the fed and if the fed caves in to buy up all the bonds nobody wants we destroy the dollar. that is even bigger crisis than if we let the bond market collapse and let it take the economy with it. liz: let's not start so macro. we're throwing out this term th
that deadline isn't even the real fiscal cliff. david: that strategist is none other than peter schiff, ceo of europacific precious metals. friend of the show. peter, although i wish it was under better circumstances. you say the real cliff coming is bigger han the housing mess, bigger than the housing crisis we went through. it's the bond mess. specifically when the fed stops printing money to buy up treasurys all hell will break loose, right? >> well, and if it continues to print money...
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cliff, then the fiscal abyss. the fed keeps us sort of above stall speed and then we do some structural things, would that work? >> that's -- joe, that's exactly what we're all hoping for. we hope that republicans and democrats, the congress, the administration, can enact bold structural reforms to make the economy more growth oriented. and you know, live within our means. manage our budgets. if we can do that, then the fed is building a bridge to the congress. >> you talking about the congress? >> pardon me? >> live within our means and manage our budgets? are you talking about the congress? >> well, you know, we've done it in the past. we can all be very bearish on our political system. but our political system over the long-term works. republicans and democrats have come together before, have made tough choices. if we can do it again, then bernanke's actions are not going to be for naught. they're going to be buying time for leaders in washington to take over. but if leaders in washington don't take over, then
cliff, then the fiscal abyss. the fed keeps us sort of above stall speed and then we do some structural things, would that work? >> that's -- joe, that's exactly what we're all hoping for. we hope that republicans and democrats, the congress, the administration, can enact bold structural reforms to make the economy more growth oriented. and you know, live within our means. manage our budgets. if we can do that, then the fed is building a bridge to the congress. >> you talking about...
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over the fiscal cliff. if you look at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, there are very clear and identifiable things. on the one hand the president could identify himself as a tax cutter. he could say -- on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some of this funding that my secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff told me i need to restore and can position himself as sort of the protector of u.s. national security. so there are some clear incentives to the president to lead the country over the fiscal cliff. do i think that's what he wants? probably not, but do i think there are incentives for him to do it temecula. gerri: never looked at it that way. as you look at this debate on going, there are a lot of folks who say we will be flirting with recession or in recession if we do go ove
over the fiscal cliff. if you look at what the president's stance to gain if the country goes over the fiscal cliff, there are very clear and identifiable things. on the one hand the president could identify himself as a tax cutter. he could say -- on january 1st the president in terms of the country and say, now in favor of cutting these taxes that have been raised because we did not solve this before the fiscal cliff. he can turn and say to my want to restore some of this funding that my...
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trading words in any progress or lack thereof on the looming fiscal cliff. david: live with the very latest proposals, if there are any real ones. >> all of this with a sense of optimism from both sides. no movement to secure a deal. wanting immediate tax rate hikes on the wealthy on the spending cuts. latest offer, $1.4 trillion in new tax revenue down from a previous offer of 1.6 trillion. and willingness to begin corporate tax reform. house speaker john boehner says that deal fell short. speak of the president's plan to avert the fiscal cliff still does not meet the two standards as laid out the day after the election. the plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. >> it is not a realistic position to say that we can resolve this by extending tax cuts for the wealthiest americans and vaguely promising that we will lean additional revenue by closing loopholes and counting deductions in a way everyone knows is unrealistic. >> republicans continue to refuse to raise tax rates on wealthier families, the official cl
trading words in any progress or lack thereof on the looming fiscal cliff. david: live with the very latest proposals, if there are any real ones. >> all of this with a sense of optimism from both sides. no movement to secure a deal. wanting immediate tax rate hikes on the wealthy on the spending cuts. latest offer, $1.4 trillion in new tax revenue down from a previous offer of 1.6 trillion. and willingness to begin corporate tax reform. house speaker john boehner says that deal fell...
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obama wins either way, he wins if negottion go his way or if we go or the fiscal cliff, either way, america loses. not so fast, i think we have choices. that is it for us, thank you, we'll see you tomorrow night goodight from new york. neil: think fat cats are still angry at the president? t chance, what if i told you a lot of sucking up to the talk abo off the wall or ould i say off the wall street, welcome neil cavuto here, and charlie gparino had it right, there is no squirmier, bunch than those on wall street. they were throwing any money they had to make sure that barack obama would be a one term, but now all but core coreon core -- cronning him all some with betwnmperor a king. a growiumr of financial types figuring nowhat the president is in, best both ses sort things by caving in. on everything from higher taxes r t rich, that is fine. higher investment related taxes onveryone, have at it. more stimulus, why not why this folding like a cheap suit now? maybe because the financial suits figure to go along so just getlong. i think at electns have consequences, i did not think th wall s
obama wins either way, he wins if negottion go his way or if we go or the fiscal cliff, either way, america loses. not so fast, i think we have choices. that is it for us, thank you, we'll see you tomorrow night goodight from new york. neil: think fat cats are still angry at the president? t chance, what if i told you a lot of sucking up to the talk abo off the wall or ould i say off the wall street, welcome neil cavuto here, and charlie gparino had it right, there is no squirmier, bunch than...
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he will be the cause of going over the fiscal cliff. i don't know what the republican leaders cannot hang onto that thought. they will be watching him, the reaction to the ultimatum, he will be sending the country over the fiscal cliff over what will amount to 8% of -- replacement of 8 percent of the deficit for fiscal 2013. it is mindless. >> as i said, i am quite nervous about this. i listen to speaker boehner say the day after the election, revenue is on the table. the american people want to compromise and make washington work. he said it again and put out a specific offer. all we have heard from the president is a hard-line was no negotiation on the tax side and not one word about the entitlement reforms that would have to match that for this plan to make any sense. and it is that absence of lead on the spending side and unwillingness to make compromises that will actually get deals done and have washington auction again that i think our marks against this lame-duck session. lou: you have projected, the action form has projected 10
he will be the cause of going over the fiscal cliff. i don't know what the republican leaders cannot hang onto that thought. they will be watching him, the reaction to the ultimatum, he will be sending the country over the fiscal cliff over what will amount to 8% of -- replacement of 8 percent of the deficit for fiscal 2013. it is mindless. >> as i said, i am quite nervous about this. i listen to speaker boehner say the day after the election, revenue is on the table. the american people...
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so where specifically are they putting all that money to work in light of fiscal cliff? take a listen to what bla blackrock's robert casid 0 to me. he manages the firm's $3.7 trillion in assets. >> does this mean we good over the fiscal cliff. >> it is a very high likelihood it does or 11:59 on december 31st with a lot of hoopla. but tax rate are going to go up. there is a going to be a conclusion to this. even if it waits until the last minute. even if it is in january, what it is going to mean is slow growth. it may mean that we lose the entire first quarter because everybody is still worrying and talking about the issue. and here we go, clients again, investing in a time when they need to be invested. >> he also thinks if we go over the cliff it might trig ear recession. what about the fed? as you know, it announced those big moves today. tying any move in rates to the unemployment rate. are we in a bond double? we will hear from blackrock's chief investment officers of fundamentals fixed income reader told me later. >> ty, over to you. >> thank you very much. to the
so where specifically are they putting all that money to work in light of fiscal cliff? take a listen to what bla blackrock's robert casid 0 to me. he manages the firm's $3.7 trillion in assets. >> does this mean we good over the fiscal cliff. >> it is a very high likelihood it does or 11:59 on december 31st with a lot of hoopla. but tax rate are going to go up. there is a going to be a conclusion to this. even if it waits until the last minute. even if it is in january, what it is...
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i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in defense. it doesn't indicate what missions are going to be no longer what, programs we're going to kim. i mean, we really have to be stupid to be doing that. >> so irresponsible. >> not knowing where the cuts are hitting. >> right. >> for the security of this country. >> i agree. >> so, therefore, you're going to get some agreement. maybe it's january 5th, maybe it's december 30th, january 10th, but it will probably be a band-aid agreement. that's the problem. this isn't going to be one of these long-term deficit reduction, credible agreements that does tax reform
i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in...
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we are always talking about fiscal cliff but what about housing? is everything in your portfolio still depend on a recovery or is having an overall market driver lost its punch? liz and saunders, chief investment strategist at charles schwab and which sidles through and why she thinks the recovery is just beginning. this company depends on you making trades for your portfolio and so far you the retail investor are still on the sidelines. td ameritrade joe moakley weighs in on that, on whether the age of the supersized bank is over and the massive life change he made off of the sidelines and into a real football game. let's get to the floor show. we have freighters at the stock exchange, cme group and nynex. give me your thoughts. we go through grinding higher as far as the broader markets are concerned except for the russell which is looking weaker right now. just turned positive. we are all green for the major indices. does this continue through tomorrow? >> hard to tell. if you look at the way the markets have traded on an intraday basis we have
we are always talking about fiscal cliff but what about housing? is everything in your portfolio still depend on a recovery or is having an overall market driver lost its punch? liz and saunders, chief investment strategist at charles schwab and which sidles through and why she thinks the recovery is just beginning. this company depends on you making trades for your portfolio and so far you the retail investor are still on the sidelines. td ameritrade joe moakley weighs in on that, on whether...
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larry, we are going to avoid the fiscal cliff resection. the white house is acting with impunity right now. and the white house is so far said look, we want to continue talking about one quarter of the president's own architecture. the president said there was a three to one ratio between savings and cuts and revenue. but they have been silent on this. >> little bit of breaking news. >> wow, the studio is shaking. mr. bhoener is at $800 million. no new information on then ti e ti tiltment. i'm suggesting. it is a game of chicken. neither party can afford this kind of recession. after what we've been through we can't take it. if that meanstending the tax cuts so be it. let me accept your premise. but i have to pile on more. something that is worse is a debt crisis. if you have a white house that is committed from going from $16 trillion in debt which is where the obama administration would lead us. what do you do with that knowledge? what if you come to the view that the president has created in the state of illinois which is a basket case t
larry, we are going to avoid the fiscal cliff resection. the white house is acting with impunity right now. and the white house is so far said look, we want to continue talking about one quarter of the president's own architecture. the president said there was a three to one ratio between savings and cuts and revenue. but they have been silent on this. >> little bit of breaking news. >> wow, the studio is shaking. mr. bhoener is at $800 million. no new information on then ti e ti...
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are we going to go up the fiscal cliff? isn't a mountain or a clip? somebody has to do something. >> everyone is fighting over tax increases and tax hikes. i get that. we need to find something they agree on. we need to take the pieces of the puzzle into them together. tracy: yes, they end up using every dollar that they have and there is nothing left at the end of the day. it is almost how we feel is the american people watching us. they are just waiting our money while they are fighting. >> where has everyone been the last two years? that is the biggest problem. can you get to economize everyone feels okay with? a really good compromise from both parties is important. it is an actual compromise. an amicable resolve. i think sitting here watching the news, sitting in sending an agreement, who knows what would happen? time is ticking. tracy: have there been any glaring mistakes that they have made in the compromising process? >> well, i think that people are coming from a viewer standpoint, they are saying, okay, if you're not showing all your cards.
are we going to go up the fiscal cliff? isn't a mountain or a clip? somebody has to do something. >> everyone is fighting over tax increases and tax hikes. i get that. we need to find something they agree on. we need to take the pieces of the puzzle into them together. tracy: yes, they end up using every dollar that they have and there is nothing left at the end of the day. it is almost how we feel is the american people watching us. they are just waiting our money while they are...
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the fiscal cliff gets closer and closer. so what's it like to grapple with fiscal issues inside congress? both of our next guests served on the budget committee. joining us now is marty russo of illinois. he served on the house ways and means budget committees and robert walker of pennsylvania now executive chairman. good to have both of you gentleman here. we've hit this theme before. before i get into the details, i want to stress again, you guys, you come from opposing points of view. but you were able as were many back in the day able to work together, find places where you could compromise. why does that seem to be so difficult now? >> well, in our days, it wasn't the majority of a majority. it wasn't like parliament system. we'd pick up republicans to pass. in those days bob michael was a heck of a minority leader. they would battle on the house floor. but in the end, it was what's in the best interest of the country. that's the same thing they did with president regan. it's what's in the best interest of the country r
the fiscal cliff gets closer and closer. so what's it like to grapple with fiscal issues inside congress? both of our next guests served on the budget committee. joining us now is marty russo of illinois. he served on the house ways and means budget committees and robert walker of pennsylvania now executive chairman. good to have both of you gentleman here. we've hit this theme before. before i get into the details, i want to stress again, you guys, you come from opposing points of view. but...
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the president in his own words confirming that tax hike, coming irrespective of the fiscal cliff outcome. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other, the key is to make taxes go up and high-end individuals, i am confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. lou: obamacare, guarantees taxes are going up. 5 new obam obamacare-based taxeo kick in next year. a 3.8% surtax on unearned income, and call chains and dividend 18.8%, and a new tax on hospital care, and medical device manufacturersing' taxed 2.3% of the price of their products. americans get a tax deduction if their medical expenses exceed 7.5% of their total income that number rising to 10% for everyone under the age of 65. and government, for first time ever sending a limit on tax free flexible spending accounts, joint committee tax, estimates those 5 new provisions amount to $2 60 billion tax hike over next 7 years, president obama, avoid anything real negotiating on fiscal cliff issue, president doubles the amount of tax hikes he campaigned on w
the president in his own words confirming that tax hike, coming irrespective of the fiscal cliff outcome. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other, the key is to make taxes go up and high-end individuals, i am confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high income individuals. lou: obamacare, guarantees taxes are going up. 5 new obam obamacare-based taxeo kick in next year. a 3.8% surtax on unearned income, and call chains...
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this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and liberty, if you can't stand for those, and fight for them, they have no business being one of the two major political parties. >> monica is right, the republicans have allowed obama to ccntrol the debate, we have the morale high ground and our plan, obama in 2011 talking about tax reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great wi
this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and...
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fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going on. booking trends have been strong or airlines as well. defense look at this, dfx, historic high. what sequestration worries out there. bottom line, everything on the upside. one sector i want to point out, dollar stores. dollar general came out with an outlook a little below estimates, look, down 7%. all the other ones a downside. they cited tough comps coming up and there are. a challenging environment and a challenging competitive environment. even the dollars stores in a tough competitive environment. >> dollar stores say their ma
fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going...
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they will continue their discussions on the fiscal cliff. and it's look likely we could have some news later this hour, perhaps later in the evening. we're not sure how long the discussion will go. rich, thank you so much for joining us on this. you will be standing by for us this whole hour at the white house who. we'll be getting back to you with any breaking news we have from this meeting. the markets some say are being held hostage by these negotiations. i just counted. 18 days left in this year for these negotiations to come to a conclusion. we shall see. more news on this breaking news let's go to didn'tcratic congressman kurt schrader. thanks for joining us very timely. what do you think as we see speaker boehner coming to the white house to speak with president obama. what do you think will come out of this meeting? >> i hope some progress. as you indicated there has been precious little so far. they want to get the country back on a secure footing and get jobs growing in the country. hopefully they will be able to put together. sand
they will continue their discussions on the fiscal cliff. and it's look likely we could have some news later this hour, perhaps later in the evening. we're not sure how long the discussion will go. rich, thank you so much for joining us on this. you will be standing by for us this whole hour at the white house who. we'll be getting back to you with any breaking news we have from this meeting. the markets some say are being held hostage by these negotiations. i just counted. 18 days left in this...
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people worried about the fiscal cliff. all that piles in. down 4%, loss for the quarter did narrow in the fourth quarter, and they have new contracts in home deliveries going well for them. i wanted to look at the broader market averages, and right now, the dow is down one quarter of 1%. both merck and boeing weighing on the dow jones industrials, each down more than 11%. -- 1%. on the topside, wal-mart, caterpillar, all winners. connell: news alert from california where blue shield wants to raise rates on individual policyholders from the "l.a. times" saying the health insurance company wants to raise rates by as much as 20% for some individuals out there with an average increase much 12% for 3,000 customers. the times talked with consumer advocates saying the non-profit should use some of its 3.9 # billion reserve to hold down those premiums, but higher rates out in california. the big story in tech land today, and this is making a lot of iphone users happy, i know. for months, there's been criticism over the mapping application on the new
people worried about the fiscal cliff. all that piles in. down 4%, loss for the quarter did narrow in the fourth quarter, and they have new contracts in home deliveries going well for them. i wanted to look at the broader market averages, and right now, the dow is down one quarter of 1%. both merck and boeing weighing on the dow jones industrials, each down more than 11%. -- 1%. on the topside, wal-mart, caterpillar, all winners. connell: news alert from california where blue shield wants to...
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should we stet the job on the fiscal cliff? >> i could not agree more. felt verydiscouraged the presidet this been more time c campaning thathe did of the begiing of his campaign. we need to have serious negotiations. we need our leaders, and the president was elected by the people. he needs to sit down now and the leader along with ourleaer, the speaker, and talk seriously about these plans. gerri: small busess, big business. the governor. who is lef for t predent to talk to? >> well, we also founthat the president was out at various bunesses encouraging the electric ted send it to it's about what he wants. and that is not the way that you get a negotiation going, byy talking about this andthe public as he has. he needs to sit down with the leaderof the house and the senate and he needs o be the leader on this. we are not seeing it here, and it's very, very discouraging. gerri: o what you torespondto what nancy pelosi had tosay about hostage-ting today. pretty dramatic comments. th is nncy pelosi. >> the republicans are sayg that rather than pasing that
should we stet the job on the fiscal cliff? >> i could not agree more. felt verydiscouraged the presidet this been more time c campaning thathe did of the begiing of his campaign. we need to have serious negotiations. we need our leaders, and the president was elected by the people. he needs to sit down now and the leader along with ourleaer, the speaker, and talk seriously about these plans. gerri: small busess, big business. the governor. who is lef for t predent to talk to? >>...
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no progress in resolving the fiscal cliff today. i know, you're not surprised by that, but we can report there were, well, some contact between the two principle players in the negotiations if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry forhe report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled buet talks on republicans, president obama today wrateted up pressure on boehner. >> nobody wants this done more than me. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans cide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform t
no progress in resolving the fiscal cliff today. i know, you're not surprised by that, but we can report there were, well, some contact between the two principle players in the negotiations if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we...